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Marcelo Bigal's avatar

“The authors of the above mentioned book also, surprisingly, state that if one doesn’t accept the Stoic God then one cannot possibly believe that virtue is the only true good, a central tenet of both ancient and modern Stoicism”. By analogy, whoever practices medicine not truly following Galen or Hippocrates is not a true physician. Good luck on your next surgery without analgesia or your next infection without antibiotics. This level of purism is funny. And BTW, if by not accepting the stoic god or any god, we are not true stoics…well, I will not let it ascent. It is in my control to ignore attempts to label me.

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Michael Shurtleff's avatar

While I certainly agree that in the modern age Stoicism does not need religion to back it up, and while I am not a religious person, I would take issue with your rejection of Stoic religious arguments as being disproven. While the universe is certainly not "alive" in the biological sense, and you are better placed than I to judge that, we simply do not know how the universe works, either on a micro or a macro scale, but it has not been created by humans, indeed we have evolved as part of it. We have theories, mathematical models, but any physicist will tell you that they don't tell the whole story and they are still looking for clues. It is perhaps beyond human comprehension. So I certainly agree that a modern (or even an ancient) Stoic does not need to believe in pantheism... although it may be more believable than the anthropomorphic ideas pushed by some modern religions. Stoicism is based on reason and human experience and needs no more.

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