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Henry Queen's avatar

Yes! 🖖 Spock is definitely not strict utilitarian. There is a lot of virtue ethics in that Human/ Vulcan mind.

Steven Gambardella's avatar

This is really interesting, I will read that book, what a great find.. I agree that what we (mostly) have as an idea of Stoicism is a facsimile of what it was intended to be, and that more work on institutions would be beneficial.

I disagree with the critique of the primacy of reason in Stoicism. Those tired arguments from the 50s and 60s (a response to Nazi "rationalism" and capitalism) are the reason Western philosophy has been consumed by postmodern relativism and the abyss of identity politics.

Stoic reason is rooted in Oikeosis, it has a fundamental grounding in beneficence. Anybody who uses reason for bad or purely indfifferent ends are not using reason, they're just using shallow calculation. This is axiomatic in Stoicism because nobody does bad willingly. To break with the primacy of reason is to break Stoicism altogether. Stoicism's monistic conception of the soul - that emotions arise from beliefs - rests on that primacy. Emotions are epiphenomena. Are there paradoxes in that idea? Yes. But they can be solved and explained.

Thanks for the read, and for provoking all the above thoughts.

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